i think i use all the examples described so far, and its not really my problem if you find them annoying. No. They use gentle reminder a lot which drives me batty. ", Reliable, meticulous and astonishingly prompt. 0. . I have no problem in theory with please advise, but what bothers me is that it often indicates that someone is coming to me expecting me to solve their problem for them. Please advise. (if you wanted instant notification you could have sent it yourself!) Artificial intelligence still cannot do this ! Especially the stilettos. I dont think you do actually need a closer every time, whether you mean a final sentence or something more like sincerely. Especially with people in the same office, and especially when it gets deep into an email exchange, I see a lot of messages like this: And thats the whole message, and nobody thinks its rude, because those two people have already emailed each other 20 times that day and theyre not bothering with Dear Jane and Sincerely anymore, or a sum-up sentence at the end or anything. I wish I could find out about Textranch earlier. I also get please do the needful and gentle reminder. Ive been working in an administrative role for the past two years and have found your blog very helpful. If you didnt give a specific direction for how you want them to respond (Please advise if I have authority to do X, and let me know if you have any questions.) the only response you would get was, Thanks! That is less than helpful when you need authority to do something ASAP. In American English, "prefer" is a little more formal but still common enough to use in everyday speech. If you dont have the friendliest relationship with that person, their please advise can sound snippy. I try to leave the actual question for the end of the paragraph. I guess Im being somewhat oversensitive because Ive had several employees in the past who drove me CRAZY with constantly dumping issues in my lap and never trying to bring solutions. Is it annoying? Can you please at least acknowledge that you are holding up a thing that the CEO asked for and we are STILL waiting on you?? It reads as abrupt to me. Do (b)not(/b) leave your belongings at the front desk. . Fresh content for your texts, so you can be more professional. One comment noted that please advise can be the equivalent of a punt: Heres this crappy thing Ive been trying to deal with. Suggesting A Different Date Neutral phrases "I'm sorry, I won't be able to make it on Monday. Please advise brought to mind this very accurate post: http://thebillfold.com/2014/06/office-speak-defined/. Another is when I get an email that contains only call me. I always take the time to phrase my response as, I advise you to Actually, if any of my direct reports use it, I ask what they mean by it. Me: OK, Ill pick some and have a draft for you to review next week. If anyone is taking routine email language as demanding and bratty etc., its on them. 3 likes. If you'd prefer to cancel your membership placed through Shipt by contacting our customer support team, you can call our dedicated line at (205) 259-7798 between 8 am - 8 pm CT. . Trust me, you cannot stop people from asking! Interesting. As you read through them ask yourself two simple questions: 1. 3. w.addEventListener("load", loader, false); :) and yes, there are a lot of customary informal misspellings there. Its like some people where I work really hate double-sided printing. Thats what I use when emailing a group. No one would ever say, Please advise in conversation. In the end, because she was unable to understand the issue I went to speak to the owner of the business, who immediately sent out an email clarifying the parking procedure. :). But they're both correct, they're both natural, and they're both used commonly. Thats exactly how it strikes me. Just say, "Please let me know when it's done." March 31, 2012. I am so flummoxed by the OPs overly negative reaction to this. similar ( 8 ) Let me know your thoughts and advice below. } else if (w.attachEvent) { Certainly, sometimes you have a new employee, a weird problem, etc. Bobby: Jane and I spoke, and we had a question about X. FYI, I copied Sue into the conversation as shes working on Y so I wanted to keep her looped in. Then again, I fire up the imaginary laser vision whenever people use In Regards to instead of In regard to or even better regarding. So I guess everyone has pet peeves. You may think please advise is bratty, but the person sending it may think they are just being professionally neutral. Ie, if youre reading along and you encounter a word you dont understand, you drop everything and look it up, right then and there. Certain phrases set me off too. But she would write EmilyG, there is no copier paper left, do you know where to order some? Please let me know when it is completed. Please click the link that we've sent to this address to post your question to our experts.Ok, I'll check my email. Do not leave your belongings at the front desk. I work with someone who uses thoughts? a lot. I like the sentiment; the phrase just seems so grammatically tortured that I wonder how and why its caught on. Please let me know your preferred way of dealing with this. Of course, Id try to say it more diplomatically. no seriously, when you send a lot of emails to lots of people needing input, decisions, updates, etc, you have few options to close your email, so you trot these out often. Today more than 1001 people got their English checked. If I do that Id feel really small and incompetent. The opposite way is: knoweldgabley explain something factual and then use make sense? to see if the other person is following you. 3. As a formal alternative, you can try using "kindly inform me if you disagree." "Please tell me if not" works well as a more informal option. Whats the verdict? Perhaps that had something to do with the fact that she was always out of the door exactly at 5pm, at that time it is always daylight here, and even though she kept promising she would come in for a night shift once to get an understanding of what it was like, she never followed through on that promise. Running errands: I have to get the needful done. (c): . They tend to ping out emails on the hoof: Just heard that Wakeen has a problem with the Lid Committee. Write Your Letter Step-by-Step 1 Express your gratitude for the customer's business. One of the frequently used phrases was Please advice me further. This is such an interesting conversation. I dont think Ive heard anyone actually say Please advise outside of radio dispatch conversations. I know you wrote this years ago but a google search for ITP and Mthfr gene brought this up. Answer (1 of 21): It's grammatically fine but meaningless. She could have wrote let me know if you have any questions and I wouldnt have been offended at all. They are conserving letters so the letters do not wear out or get all used up. Thank you.. How "don't know" is hurting your data. Maybe its regional? People tend to use it when wrapping up to indicate, Can you give me your thoughts on this? or How should I handle this? I dont think its in any way intended to be demanding its just a wrap-up to the message. What if it is outside their scope? Thanks, Yeah, thanks is my new sincerely and it does seem pretty silly when you think about it. I always get back with the tardy person and ask them if they need something else/anything before they can reply. Please let me know if he gets any worse. As in, The task youve given me is physically impossible. managers. :D Tried to get ebay and paypal details in order send an invoice to me. Is that incorrect, Sparrow? I sometimes wish I could use 10-4 in emails (to mean recieved and understood). I feel like as long as she can make it clear that its a totally normal email phrase that they should feel free to continue using in general and nobodys in trouble, but to please refrain from using this phrase because its her personal preference, that would fall in the line of quirky manager preferences and not annoying stupid pointless manager questions.. If I was having the chocolate tea pot situation I would write, "Please let me know which option you prefer." I feel like more time is wasted when people try to save time on words and instead use "please advise". Putting please advise instead of the second sentence would incline me to respond with something like. I agree it is affected, cloying, baby talk etc. What did you get done?: Oh, just the needful.. So, yeah, for that the please advise would be super annoying. People can be so different! From coworker B, it makes me want to hulk-smash and scream hey, try to solve this incredibly simple non-issue before emailing me!. I'm definitely trying to be polite! if you will. To my boss, about another group entirely, and Im sure she knows me well enough to know what I meant. It is now on your side of the line. or call us at (205) 502-2500. Now I use it myself naturally. I use that a fair amount but I use it collaboration, when Ive formed a plan and want to run it by one or two others because I literally want to know if my plan makes sense. We're pretty excited about this feature, so please let us know how it works for you. I used to find it irritating and then people I work with started using it more so there was no point in being irritated. Every nasty email from our home office bookeeper ends with PLEASE ADVISE. I also hate that phrase, but I think its just because of that particular sender. But that whole make sense? stuff irked me. I just think its a nice transition to end an email. How about Friendly reminder? The Guardian. Every time I get an email that ends with please advise I want to send one back that says I advise you to stop ending your emails with please advise! That is the most annoying phrase ever! Hey! Theyve usually established themselves as ineffective and rude, and in those cases, nothing they say will be not-annoying :), Yes! Ive used just bumping this to the top of your inbox! before, but only with people who I know are pretty chill and arent going to interpret it as you clearly dont know how to manage your workload so please let me nag you. I dont order them to call me. assigning women extra work to help them, calling out when youre in the ER, and more. It was at that point I realised, it is not my explaining that is the problem here. + Read the full interview, I love that TextRanch editors are real people who revise the text and provide feedback it makes it so personal. As a non-native speaker, I always have second thoughts about my expressions. Also, I use it when responding to others who have requested info from me. Love the feedback from the editor. I would use Please advise where I need a definite answer. Some additional tips: The more time slots you suggest the better. This drove me up the wall because she frequently appended it to requests that were not the recipients responsibility or anything theyd agreed to do. update: how can I turn down training requests from my clients? whether you prefer. I have a lady who has Thank YOU! (note the application of all-caps) as part of her email signature I read it differently but I dont interact with her on a day-to-day basis so I just suck it up. That does happen to me on occasion. I think it sounds a little formal, but not offensive, so this letter surprises me a bit. This is what I generally do. ?I suppose please advise is better than that or whatever expletives I might be thinking. Only because the former co-worker that sent it was constantly nagging me and it felt like she was using it in lieu of I need your input on this now. This answer is: Hide . So, I figured, maybe Im explaining this badly. But seriously? In the nicest possible way, this made me smile because like is pretty common in the UK as well though mostly with younger people. Like We had someone call from a company trying to sell us a bridge, so I took their name and number and told them someone from the bridge purchasing department would call them back. I do it a lot too. I thought, Maybe Im wrong? I mean, what other phrase could you possibly use to indicate that youre ready to help the next person in line? Its totally redundant and not necessary. Try these: Yes, Wednesday suits me fine? I am impressed. Someone must be advised. I dislike the gentle reminder it feels patronizing to me. On that note, has anyone noticed the difference in these two phrases? So now it causes a twitch when others use it, but I know its all on me. ****ATTENTION: These bases have minor defects and are sold as is. Its so delightfully vague! Im pretty sure all 200,000 plus employees at my company use it regularly! For me, I always feel weird finishing the body of the email with my question. I receive emails a lot from Indian English speakers and they often use the phrase Please do the needful or Kindly do the needful which at first I thought seemed rude, but now I see that its just their way of saying that phrase. This cracks me up, just like TY. Emails were coming in all day long. Privacy Policy(function (w, d) { HOW many for the sales summit in new YORK Also, I dont mind it at all if people skip leaving me voicemail and instead email or IM with a request for me to call them back. Me too! I assume since it is done so often that it is just a common formal phrase used in this culture. I feel like I am being summoned. Ive been tempted). I had an obnoxious passive aggressive manager once who would scold you for some nitpicky infraction and then give you a syrupy Thanks for all you do to send you on your merry way. I picked up the doubt thing from a really awesome math professor I had in college who would ask does anyone have any doubts? after going over something on the board. From the Cambridge English Corpus His preferred option is theory of mind ability, which underpins processes of cultural learning and cultural accumulation and transmission. Then, if you ask me to please advise as to whether I agree with your proposed next steps, I am indeed happy to advise. Its the reminders that I *still* cant seem to figure out and loathe doing. Now, someone in IT has figured out how to make all emails related to a conversation *poof* from the entire email network when something like this happens, so nobody has the email anymore to reply to all. Ill use Please advise when forwarding a question from one party to another when I dont know what question needs to be asked. She said, and I quote I always walk to my car in the staff carpark when it is time to go home, it is perfectly safe. :). persons IM: Can you talk? Is that better? I agree, and especially if its used after a question. I dont think Ive ever written please advise or received an email that ended this way, so it surprised me that so many people have such strong opinions on it. I want to know the context of the meeting so I can prepare for it. We realize that we have likely missed some great companies, so please let us know if we missed you. We talked about x but you did y, and Im really confused about how that happened. With furrowed brow and head tilt. if you want. ooooo! Half the kids in the class were keeping track of how many times she said it. EmilyG, can you reboot the X server because it appears to be down and I need to work on Y. TIA! was reasonable enough. I dont see anything wrong withplease advise. 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